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NBA Draft Lottery today what are the contingencies with us?
posted on 5/20/2014 6:09:59 AM by FWG Wani
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is it so as long as we don't get a top 3 pick, we don't have to surrender our pick?

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NBA Draft Lottery today what are the contingencies with us?
posted on 5/20/2014 6:09:59 AM by FWG Wani
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is it so as long as we don't get a top 3 pick, we don't have to surrender our pick?

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re: NBA Draft Lottery today what are the contingencies with us?
posted on 5/20/2014 7:05:09 AM by airmojo
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We are top 8 protected. We have somewhat of a 10 percent chance to get any of the top 3 picks and a 72 percent chance to get the 8. And a 17.6 chance to lose the pick(9 or below)

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posted on 5/20/2014 7:05:53 AM by maznblue
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I say we get the nine pick and we lost it

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posted on 5/20/2014 9:39:56 AM by FWG Wani
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on May 20 2014 7:05AM, maznblue wrote:

I say we get the nine pick and we lost it

Agreed... let's surrender this pick now! we've had like the 8th pick the last 4 seasons it seems... We are like the Cowboys ie stuck in mediocrity 8-8


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posted on 5/20/2014 4:31:23 PM by StartMemo
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We need the pick this year. Stan coming improves this team just by cutting out all the BS. This roster could have been the 8th seed with Stan coaching them. He wouldn't have let the locker room get toxic.

So with another contributor and another year of KCP developing, the 8 seed is very attainable.

So bring on Marcus Smart or Doug McDermott.


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posted on 5/20/2014 5:22:38 PM by pistonsfan25
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And we lost the pick :(

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posted on 5/20/2014 5:27:45 PM by Darko31
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And Dumars' bone-headed trading continues to hurt the franchise.

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posted on 5/20/2014 5:29:40 PM by FWG Wani
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on May 20 2014 5:27PM, Darko31 wrote:

And Dumars' bone-headed trading continues to hurt the franchise.

Sorry guys! ,but this is a great thing... let's pay our debts now and move on!!! 

#justwhatIwanted

Bottom line is... we have new management that inherited a mess. The lottery pick was a DEBT owed from previous management and so they can start this new regime with a clean slate and not have to worry about the blunders of the past. 

Does it hurt? yes... but temporarily... we will forget about it next week... we will likely be in the lottery next year and will look back and be happy that we no longer have a debt to pay to a team that will likely botch this years pick up anyways. 

In life, there is nothing more annoying than having a debt over your head and this year we've paid it off and are moving forward


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posted on 5/20/2014 6:57:04 PM by bignastyben
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I kind of agree with Wani on this one. Honestly I wasn't all that excited for Stauskus or McDermott. Smart would've been nice, but really beyond the top three all the players have huge question marks. Actually even a lot of the top 3 is potential more than proven. 

The question is where do we go now? We know Stan is going to look for shooters. I would love to find that diamond in the rough that a team is ready to give up on but fits the system perfectly. We haven't had much luck with that in since about the Rip/Chauncey offseason.


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posted on 5/20/2014 10:20:29 PM by BigDaddyJungle
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on May 20 2014 6:57PM, bignastyben wrote:

I kind of agree with Wani on this one. Honestly I wasn't all that excited for Stauskus or McDermott. Smart would've been nice, but really beyond the top three all the players have huge question marks. Actually even a lot of the top 3 is potential more than proven. 

The question is where do we go now? We know Stan is going to look for shooters. I would love to find that diamond in the rough that a team is ready to give up on but fits the system perfectly. We haven't had much luck with that in since about the Rip/Chauncey offseason.

Odds are we would have been better next year, still that remains the same with a good coach.

Now that it's over, we have to move forward.

Signing Free Agents.  Trades.  Biggest needs are SF and PG.  
Draft, it's still possible to get value in the second round.  Will have to look and see what they did in Orlando in the second round. 

 GRlll could drop, although I doubt it.  
Mitch from the wolverines could drop.  
Thanis the greek could drop.
Ennis and Payne could help out too if they drop or we trade this years second and a future second to move up a bit.

Nobody at 8 was going to be a guaranteed success.




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posted on 5/21/2014 6:03:53 AM by Simon
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This only sucks from a fan perspective because they're is nothing to look forward to come draft time, but in reality, the 8th pick wouldn't help us that much anyway. I mean if doug McDermott doesn't have Adam Morrison written all over him, I don't know what does. I would be certainly testing the sign and trade market for Monroe now, though. Is he top 3 pick in this draft worthy? And if not, do we really need him at a max deal level? Let's face it, he hasn't moved the needle in any direction for this franchise since his been here, despite having good numbers. Time to cash in on that good numbers on a bad team value before we have to over pay for it.

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posted on 5/21/2014 6:13:04 AM by FWG Wani
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on May 21 2014 6:03AM, Simon wrote:

This only sucks from a fan perspective because they're is nothing to look forward to come draft time, but in reality, the 8th pick wouldn't help us that much anyway. I mean if doug McDermott doesn't have Adam Morrison written all over him, I don't know what does. I would be certainly testing the sign and trade market for Monroe now, though. Is he top 3 pick in this draft worthy? And if not, do we really need him at a max deal level? Let's face it, he hasn't moved the needle in any direction for this franchise since his been here, despite having good numbers. Time to cash in on that good numbers on a bad team value before we have to over pay for it.
Agreed.... Greg Monroe comes across to me as a younger version of Kevin Love without the commercials and all-star appearences



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posted on 5/21/2014 1:57:15 PM by matt72582
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This is bad... With SVG, and hopefully some cleanup, say we were #19 next year.. That's a much better debt to give than the #8, especially if everyone says this draft is going to be great. It would have been nice to get a pg and get rid of Jennings.

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posted on 5/21/2014 6:13:00 AM by EMC
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Our luck holds. The only time we've had luck in the lottery is when we landed Memphis' #2 pick in the 2003 draft because of the Otis Thorpe trade (and the fact that Memphis deferred the pick the previous 2 years when it was 5 and 6 respectively). Chicago can have multiple picks, Cleveland can win it 3 out of 4 years, but the Pistons have no luck. I would've loved to add Wiggins or Parker, but c'est la vie. It's time to move on. 

That said, couldn't be more frustrated with Ben Gordon. I knew the moment he was signed he wouldn't live up to that contract (60 million). First, the Pistons had Rip Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey. The Allen Iverson experiment (an undersized 3-guard rotation) resulted in the first losing season in 8 years. So we sign up for more of that. I watched Chauncey Billups ruin him in the playoffs in 2007. Jerry Reinsdorf went to the media and said "he'll ruin a team. You don't build around a guy like Ben Gordon." Well, consider us ruined. This is the most important draft since 2003 and we're sitting on the sidelines. Meanwhile, we have Division rivals that are going to have these star players (Milwaukee and Cleveland). What's more frustrating is that the Pistons got nothing for him when they had the AMNESTY CLAUSE! They could've gained all that cap space and not lose a damn thing. Corey Maggette, who was a shell of himself, and losing the 9th overall draft pick in 2014 draft. God, did Dumars lose his touch. 

Ok, enough re-hashing the past, onto the future. I think we have leadership needs before we have a position that needs to be addressed. We need veterans that can help us win NOW before Stan Van Gundy's leash runs out. By the way, for everyone who bought the crap about Doc Rivers and Pat Riley at his press conference, I have five words for you: Dick Vitale and Doug Collins. It's been tried and it never worked in this city. The fact is, there are enough failures (Rick Pitino in Boston?) to counter-weight his examples. I'm not saying he'll fail, but I'm not saying he'll succeed, either. 

So who can be that leader? How about Trevor Ariza? He's a quality defender, he can stroke the long ball, and he's been on Championship teams. I wish we had signed Taj Gibson, Tony Allen, and Andre Iguodala last year, but I said no more re-hashing the past and we've covered Dumars's reverse Midas touch. How about Luol Deng, especially with Parker or Wiggins headed to Cleveland? I think we need leadership, not a big name this year. We have to win at the end of the season, not in the papers in the previous July (cough--Ben Gordon, Josh Smith--cough). Wow, it's really hard not to re-hash the past. 


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posted on 5/21/2014 2:27:36 PM by maznblue
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on May 21 2014 6:13AM, EMC wrote:

Our luck holds. The only time we've had luck in the lottery is when we landed Memphis' #2 pick in the 2003 draft because of the Otis Thorpe trade (and the fact that Memphis deferred the pick the previous 2 years when it was 5 and 6 respectively). Chicago can have multiple picks, Cleveland can win it 3 out of 4 years, but the Pistons have no luck. I would've loved to add Wiggins or Parker, but c'est la vie. It's time to move on. 

That said, couldn't be more frustrated with Ben Gordon. I knew the moment he was signed he wouldn't live up to that contract (60 million). First, the Pistons had Rip Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey. The Allen Iverson experiment (an undersized 3-guard rotation) resulted in the first losing season in 8 years. So we sign up for more of that. I watched Chauncey Billups ruin him in the playoffs in 2007. Jerry Reinsdorf went to the media and said "he'll ruin a team. You don't build around a guy like Ben Gordon." Well, consider us ruined. This is the most important draft since 2003 and we're sitting on the sidelines. Meanwhile, we have Division rivals that are going to have these star players (Milwaukee and Cleveland). What's more frustrating is that the Pistons got nothing for him when they had the AMNESTY CLAUSE! They could've gained all that cap space and not lose a damn thing. Corey Maggette, who was a shell of himself, and losing the 9th overall draft pick in 2014 draft. God, did Dumars lose his touch. 

Ok, enough re-hashing the past, onto the future. I think we have leadership needs before we have a position that needs to be addressed. We need veterans that can help us win NOW before Stan Van Gundy's leash runs out. By the way, for everyone who bought the crap about Doc Rivers and Pat Riley at his press conference, I have five words for you: Dick Vitale and Doug Collins. It's been tried and it never worked in this city. The fact is, there are enough failures (Rick Pitino in Boston?) to counter-weight his examples. I'm not saying he'll fail, but I'm not saying he'll succeed, either. 

So who can be that leader? How about Trevor Ariza? He's a quality defender, he can stroke the long ball, and he's been on Championship teams. I wish we had signed Taj Gibson, Tony Allen, and Andre Iguodala last year, but I said no more re-hashing the past and we've covered Dumars's reverse Midas touch. How about Luol Deng, especially with Parker or Wiggins headed to Cleveland? I think we need leadership, not a big name this year. We have to win at the end of the season, not in the papers in the previous July (cough--Ben Gordon, Josh Smith--cough). Wow, it's really hard not to re-hash the past. 


Dude, like Wani and Simon said, move on w ur debts, and the ninth pick wouldn't have gotten us shit. All we really wanted was a top 5 pick to make a difference I still stand by Joe simply because we dont know what happened behind closed doors. Sure he fucked up with Ben Gordon and Charlie FUCKING V. i hate typing it My point is that the team was being sold. Im sure half his moves were forced because he had no other options. Idk, I'd like to trade Monroe for a pick at this point. Let's move on, we have to play as is. We have talent, find out what combo wins on the court. THey have to buy into a system


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posted on 5/22/2014 2:48:10 AM by airmojo
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I don't know about y'all. Being a Michigan fan and losing out on the pick I'm really intrigued by GR3. Dude is talented just very raw. I wouldn't mind him in a pistons uniform even if we did have to trade up

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posted on 5/22/2014 7:55:53 PM by BigDaddyJungle
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on May 22 2014 2:48AM, airmojo wrote:

I don't know about y'all. Being a Michigan fan and losing out on the pick I'm really intrigued by GR3. Dude is talented just very raw. I wouldn't mind him in a pistons uniform even if we did have to trade up

I'm thinking the same thing.  GRlll is my top hope for trading up into the last bit of the first round, even if part of a bigger deal.  I ALSO, if his back checks out, Mitch McGreary.  But I'd much rather go with GRlll.




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posted on 5/24/2014 12:39:39 PM by yugsterus
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If GRIII makes it to pick 38, I'd love to get him. He doesn't have great feel for the game or a handle, but his physical tools are ideal or an NBA wing, maybe he'll bust out like Hardaway.

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posted on 5/24/2014 12:30:37 PM by yugsterus
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I think we lost out big time. I expect the pick next year to be 15-20 in a worse draft. I was not that excited for Stauskas McDermot either! But that's good, we wouldn't have drafted either one. These draft board guesses are based on tunnel visioned sports media assuming Orlando was 'Van Gundy's system'. It was the team he was handed. I think Harris will turn out to be a big miss. I think he's going to be good and be able to play PG in the NBA. Even if not, he and KCP could play together, they are both tough and play bigger than they are. I've been an MSU fan for a long time and I've never been more sure bout an MSU guard in the NBA, he has a special feel for the game and I think he'll be an NBA all-star eventually, as well as a good defender. A Harris KCP backcourt could have helped Monroe and Drummond win championships in a few years.

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