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Previous posts on Orlando not really having much cap space
posted on 4/17/2007 11:49:47 PM by AMCohan
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Here are a few quotes about why Orlando is kinda screwed with their cap situation. They will ultimately have to decide on signing Darko or one more FA and then trying to a win a title with that team. Maybe they can sign a few more cheap veterans but never another big name player without a great trade...so basically after this summer if they make a big move(including signing Darko) They"re gonna have to win a title with that team + future draft picks and MLE signings.


"For Orlando to go another route in free agency and pursue Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter (two players connected to Orlando in rumors), it will have to renounce the rights to Milicic. That would mean the Magic would no longer hold Milicic"s Bird rights and would likely lose him. If such were the case, Milicic"s tenure would have amounted to a rental, in that the draft pick Orlando used to acquire him will have been spent on the right to have him develop in Orlando for less than two seasons

Milicic is only 21 and has begun to play meaningful minutes only in the past year. Orlando will be confronted with the decision of whether to retain the still-developing Milicic or pursue a veteran free agent."

"What also must be factored into the equation for the Magic is that in 2008 they will be confronted with the free agency of Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson. If they do elect to spend all their room this year -- be it on Milicic, another team"s free agent, or a combination of the two -- they would then be looking at a quickly and dramatically escalating payroll in the future.

So, whenever the Magic decide to lock into their cap room and convert it into players, they will do so knowing that there is no going back. The assets they have to show for their hard-earned financial discipline will be the ones with which they proceed forward, and improvement from that point will come largely from within."




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Previous posts on Orlando not really having much cap space
posted on 4/17/2007 11:49:47 PM by AMCohan
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Here are a few quotes about why Orlando is kinda screwed with their cap situation. They will ultimately have to decide on signing Darko or one more FA and then trying to a win a title with that team. Maybe they can sign a few more cheap veterans but never another big name player without a great trade...so basically after this summer if they make a big move(including signing Darko) They"re gonna have to win a title with that team + future draft picks and MLE signings.


"For Orlando to go another route in free agency and pursue Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter (two players connected to Orlando in rumors), it will have to renounce the rights to Milicic. That would mean the Magic would no longer hold Milicic"s Bird rights and would likely lose him. If such were the case, Milicic"s tenure would have amounted to a rental, in that the draft pick Orlando used to acquire him will have been spent on the right to have him develop in Orlando for less than two seasons

Milicic is only 21 and has begun to play meaningful minutes only in the past year. Orlando will be confronted with the decision of whether to retain the still-developing Milicic or pursue a veteran free agent."

"What also must be factored into the equation for the Magic is that in 2008 they will be confronted with the free agency of Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson. If they do elect to spend all their room this year -- be it on Milicic, another team"s free agent, or a combination of the two -- they would then be looking at a quickly and dramatically escalating payroll in the future.

So, whenever the Magic decide to lock into their cap room and convert it into players, they will do so knowing that there is no going back. The assets they have to show for their hard-earned financial discipline will be the ones with which they proceed forward, and improvement from that point will come largely from within."




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re: Previous posts on Orlando not really having much cap spa
posted on 4/17/2007 11:57:52 PM by AMCohan
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I think some other people also were very critical on statements myself and some others have made about Chicago being in a similar dilema because of their botched FA signing of Ben Wallace and drafting Tyrus Thomas. Unless they get a really amazing pick this year they are gonna be pretty much stuck with their roster after this year and will have to win a title with that team if they can"t make a deal. Which will be almost impossible because PJ Brown"s expiring contract will be gone and they will have to resign Deng, Nocioni, and Gordon to potentially huge contracts. The NBA"s salary cap situation is so tight now that teams have to make such intelligent and quality decisions to reach the next level of contention. If they make one terrible decision it can screw them for a long long long long time. Here are some Chicago quotes from their article:

"But with P.J. Brown"s contract expiring at season"s end, Chicago"s window to execute a "superstar" deal effectively has closed, since Brown"s contract was needed in combination with rookie-scale contracts to arrive at a number to match up with the likes of a Kevin Garnett.
Though Wallace signed only a four-year deal (the collective bargaining agreement permits a team to sign its own free agent to a six-year contract or another team"s free agent to a five-year contract), by the time his contract expires, Chicago likely will have invested enough into its present nucleus to ensure that it will not again be a significant cap player with this group."

Obviously Chicago is not screwed like Orlando is because they won"t be giving anyone a 100+ million dollar deal while still barely managing to make the playoffs. They will be a top eastern team for a long time I think. But the real problem for them will be reaching the next level of the NBA elite. They can"t sign anyone else via free agency, and they are gonna have a hard time making a big time trade that favors them unless Minnesota comes around or someone like Utah decides they want to trade Okur because AK has been suffering from lack of interior playing time. I just don"t think they can win an NBA title with these guys plus a few random mid level veterans unless NY somehow gets them a top 4 draft pick and they can get Horford, Durant, Oden, or another big time prospect. Basically they desperately need to get high enough to draft Horford. He"s so incredibly underrated and would answer almost all of their problems. Imagine if they got him in the draft and had kept Chandler. Future front court of Horford, Chandler, and Deng with Tyrus Thomas playing off the bench. Pretty deep talented front line. Still have no fuckin idea why they"d ditch Chandler like that. He"s just so gosh dang talented.





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re: re: Previous posts on Orlando not really having much cap
posted on 4/18/2007 12:13:53 AM by AMCohan
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Heh spamming my own post, but here"s another great quote from Milwaukee"s article on why Cap space can be so deceiving and why teams that often have it shoot up over the luxury tax threshold so quickly within a few years:

"...Along these lines, bear this in mind as well: Cap space is great to have to sign a player, to pick up draft picks by being a trade facilitator for other teams or to combine with present assets in trades. But most teams with cap space managed to get below the cap number only by including rookie contracts as key components of their roster. This means that within a year or two, the payroll will take a significant spike if the roster remains intact.

It"s easy to get swept away in the excitement of having significant room in the summer of 2007, but in the summer of 2009 the contracts of Bogut and Villanueva expire. With the trio of Redd, Simmons and Gadzuric totaling in excess of $34 million that year in salary, it"s easy to understand how Milwaukee"s excitement this summer will have to be tempered with caution and forward thinking."

-This is all written by Jeff Weltman of Scouts Inc.  Formerly a member of the Nuggets GM staff I believe. 


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Very, very, good post
posted on 4/18/2007 5:34:31 PM by boobooman
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There"s always so much mis-information passed along in regards to NBA cap situations.

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re: Very, very, good post
posted on 4/18/2007 5:53:42 PM by Jayborne23
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If the Magic have any chance at Rashard or VC, I wouldn"t be surprised to see them renounce Darko.  I don"t think they will though.

Charlotte will probably have the most cap, I think Gerald Wallace is out of there.


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re: re: Very, very, good post
posted on 4/20/2007 4:28:21 PM by AMCohan
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Charlotte always has the most cap, but they never seem to use it.  I bet they wait out for KG or someone who will actually be a franchise player.  They"ve already gotten over 30 wins with a no talent team really.  I mean guys like Okafor and Felton have talent, but they might just be good role players on championship level teams.  Okafor is probably the most talented guy since he"s a big man so he"d probably start almost everywhere else, but no way he"s a guaranteed franchise kinda guy.  Probably just a really decent player his whole career unless he keeps getting injured the way he has been.  Coming out of school his back was a big worry, but lately it"s been his feet and legs.  

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posted on 4/20/2007 6:00:49 PM by Jayborne23
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I think last year was the first year they could actual use all their cap, cause expansion teams have some weird adjusted cap so they don"t just come into the league overpaying guys. Bob Johnson has already made it known that he is looking to spend some money, and I think this team could use it. I mean, you can"t rely on Adam Morrison for your scoring the way he"s playing.

Okafor, in this day and age of big men, is more than decent.  He is a guy that can constantly give you 15/10/3, but he can"t stay healthy.  He"s also on a small market team.


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re: re: re: re: Very, very, good post
posted on 4/21/2007 11:08:12 PM by AMCohan
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Yeah I agree, but since he can"t seem to even play 70 games a year it"s kinda tough to call him a good player since we don"t really know for sure how consistent he"s gonna be over a year long period + potential playoff games.  

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posted on 4/21/2007 11:35:28 PM by gmathew85
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BTW, I think after his game 1 performance(and Tirico"s dick suckling), I bet Dorko earned at least a couple extra mil a year come free agency.


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posted on 4/23/2007 8:30:53 PM by AMCohan
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I hope Orlando signs him because they they will be so fuxored. :)

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posted on 4/24/2007 1:08:01 AM by Jayborne23
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on Apr 23 2007 8:30PM, AMCohan wrote:

I hope Orlando signs him because they they will be so fuxored. :)
For a minute, I actually thought fuxored was a word. I even almost google"d it.



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re: Darko may leave cause they are forcing him to be..
posted on 4/24/2007 8:18:49 AM by FWG Wani
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A low post player in Orlando. Notice that Darko NEVER is outside on the perimiter takeing jumpshots. If a team gives him a chance to be a Toni Kukoc, then I can see Orlando being relieved of Darko-mania!

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Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/24/2007 1:05:45 PM by yugsterus
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Yeah, personally I think having two twin tower 7 footers with superstar potential or close to it is pretty much as well off as any team can possibly be.

You sound like you"re trying to paint a questionable future around Orlando"s situation. If only every team could be so unfortunate.

BTW, all any team usually has is the MLE and draft picks. I think last count 23 teams were over the cap the last 6 consecutive years. Very few have the added benefit of having a young solid foundation in place for years to come to go with it.
 
The Bulls are in a similar situation, and stand to be sitting even better after they get the Knicks pick.


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re: Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/24/2007 3:20:37 PM by AMCohan
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     The Bulls are waaay better off than Orlando.  Orlando is in trouble because Dwight Howard has no offensive game and won"t for a while and Darko has yet to really show that he"s worthy of using the rest of their cap space for a long time.  If they signed Darko their offense will have to come from Hedo, Darko, Howard, JJ Reddick, Ariza, Jameer Nelson, and Grant Hill for maybe one more year.  I just don"t think that team will be able to do anything more than struggle to make the playoffs once they spend over a 120 million dollars on Darko and Dwight Howard.  I mean who is going to be their starting shooting guard for the next few years?  Isn"t that kind of an important position when none of your big men can really do anything except score from 2-5 five feet away from the basket?  The only reason they even made the playoffs this year is because Indiana won six out of their last 27 games and NY went like 1-11 to close out their season as well.  One more Orlando loss and one or two more Indiana wins this year and Orlando is just another crappy lottery team. 

     Chicago has a chance to become a dynasty if they actually land a player like Horford/Durant/Oden, but if they end up getting a lower pick and don"t select a GREAT player they"ll probably be one of the best EC teams for a while, but not quite on the contending level(I"m not really sure if Detroit is even at that level still either, we"ll find out this summer).  Still though, Chicago is definitely headed in the right direction it"s just that they botched a few huge opportunities that could have jumped them to a whole other level.  Imagine how good they coulda been if they had kept Chandler and not used all that money on Ben.  Tyrus Thomas(Or Aldridge/Brandon Roy), Chandler(He really only had a chance in Chicago to play around 22.0mpg this coulda been his breakout year), and potentially a player like Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter(instead of Ben) would definitely make them capable of winning a title for the next 5-7 years and be a dominant team during the regular season.  

Inculding Ben Wallace as the FA if you could pick one of the players here as the FA they signed and one of the draft picks from last year as a pick what roster would you go with? I"d probably go with Hinrich, Vince Carter, Deng, Aldridge, Chandler, and have Nocioni and Ben Gordon be the primary bench players. What would you guys do?  I"m guessing it wouldn"t be what Chicago did already.

pg: Hinrich
sg: (Vince Carter)/(Roy)/Gordon
sf:Deng/(Rashard Lewis)/Nocioni/(Roy)
pf:(Rashard Lewis)/Nocioni/(Aldridge)/Tyrus Thomas
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re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/24/2007 3:59:46 PM by STARCAST
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I would do exactly what the Bulls did. You can not have a team of all young players you need leadership and it is best if it comes from someone who has won it all. of course it is rare that you can get such a player. Carter or lewis have never been leaders or big winners so without the moves the bulls made they whould have a lot of "potential" but they would not be a better team. How Chandler doing in the playoffs? Oh thats right he is just watching. The only thing I can  project 5 to 7 years in the future that you can"t predict that far in the future.
 
The bulls have a lotto pick to add this year the Magic have no first round pick to add.


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re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/24/2007 4:25:40 PM by AMCohan
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How is Kevin Garnett doing in the playoffs? Oh that"s right he"s watching so he must suck...good reasoning. 

     Even if we ignore the signing of Ben Wallace(which in my opinion was a huge mistake) I"m basically just talking about the trade of Tyson Chandler for PJ Brown.  What exactly is Brown doing for his team right now in the playoffs?  He was intended to be used in a trade this season because of his expiring deal, but he will end up not even giving his team any cap relief(and certainly no meaningful on court production) because of the potential free agent negotiations with other players on the roster this summer.  So basically they dumped Chandler for nobody.  Great move!  Getting rid of a young 23-24 year old big man with an insane amount of potential for being a defensive and rebounding force in this league for literally nothing makes you look like a bad GM.  Even if they thought it would lead to acquiring something worth while the bottom line is it didn"t and now they"re stuck with an old, slow, front court that can"t score at all. Plus they have another hole to fill after Brown leaves and won"t have much but the MLE to use.  That means they need fill a potential starting front court position with minimal assets next year.  A situation Detroit found themselves in this offseason and led to the free agent signing of Nazr Mohammed because there are rarely ever any decent big men available at that price.  Unless Tyrus Thomas turns out to be worthy of starting next year, which is somewhat possible I guess I think Chicago is gonna find themselves one big man shy of a full team.  UNLESS they luck out and get Durant or Oden.  If that happens then sure they will probably build a dynasty and rule the eastern conference for a long time, but if they end up with a late lottery pick then I don"t think they will be anything more than a good team with a shot at making the finals and maybe having a slight opportunity to win a title.  Kind of like Detroit before we traded for Rasheed.  Sure that"s not a bad thing at all when speaking in relation to every team in the league, but the difference between that and multiple titles is huge.  Nobody really cares about the eastern conference champions from a few years ago.  And certainly nobody gives out respect to teams who make the finals and get beaten relatively easily or in a six game series if that"s the major highlight of that team"s resume. 

I don"t think people give Chandler enough credit for what he showed this year.  Imagine how good Chicago could have been with a player like him at their disposal.  He really only got an opportunity to play 20-24 mpg during his tenure at Chicago.  And he still managed to put up nearly double digit stats in rebounds and had a ton of blocks.  Obviously once he had the opportunity to start and get a starters role on a team he was gonna be a force on the boards.  But he"s so young that people don"t really stop and consider that this should really be about his 2nd year in the NBA.  He won"t even be in his prime for four or five more years probably.  He"s not the offensive force Chicago needs inside, but he"s way better than PJ Brown and a lot of people consider him to be more useful than  Ben Wallace at this point in his career.  Considering he makes less money wouldn"t he at least be a good player to have instead of PJ Brown even if they wanted to keep Ben Wallace?  Ok sorry for spamming I just don"t understand why people think the PJ Brown trade was not a huuge mistake and why Ben Wallace was such a great free agent decision.  Maybe if Chicago wins the title I"ll agree that it was a great idea, but if they end up not getting a top 3-4 pick and locking up a great young player like Horford, Durant, or Oden then I don"t see how they"re gonna have a decent starting front court next year especially if Ben Wallace continues to get worse as he gets older.   The only way I"ll be way off if the pick sucks is if Tyrus Thomas turns out to be an absolute monster way quicker than anyone thought he would. 


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re: re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/25/2007 11:04:02 AM by STARCAST
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I have allways liked Chandler. But what you never take into consideration is the importance of vet leadership. Stats are for lossers noone talks about stats when it comes to winners. You don"t need to. Vet leadership is very important the worse thing a team can become is one of those teams thats always saying wait untill next year or If the bulls kept all the young players "wait in the next 4 to 5 years they are going to be great" but by then someone gets hurt or leaves for free agency.

A team rarely gets a chance to add a leader and proven winner in free agency. When you get that chance you jump at it just like the bulls did. I do agree by not trading PJ the Chandler trade dosen"t look so good.


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re: re: re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/25/2007 2:03:19 PM by Jayborne23
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Sometimes players need a change of scenary, Chandler is an example of one.  When it gets to the point where you are being boo"d at home, it"s going to effect your play.
 
Dwight Howard"s offensive game isn"t that far away either.  I"ve seen flashes of brilliance from this guy, like that spin he put on Ben early in the season.  I"m pretty sure he"ll join the 20/10 club next season.


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re: re: re: re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sitting pretty
posted on 4/25/2007 3:19:36 PM by STARCAST
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on Apr 25 2007 2:03PM, Jayborne23 wrote:

Sometimes players need a change of scenary, Chandler is an example of one.  When it gets to the point where you are being boo"d at home, it"s going to effect your play.
 
Dwight Howard"s offensive game isn"t that far away either.  I"ve seen flashes of brilliance from this guy, like that spin he put on Ben early in the season.  I"m pretty sure he"ll join the 20/10 club next season.


I have to agree on Chandler. Howard is a beast and should be a great player soon. He has to cut down on turnovers big time.

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re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sittin
posted on 4/26/2007 2:13:17 AM by AMCohan
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Yeah I think Howard will be one of the best big men ever when he enters his prime.  He"ll probably be 20-12 before we know it.  I guess you guys are right he probably will just learn how to be an offensive force some day because the kid clearly only cares about playing basketball.  I read that he"s insanely religious and all he does is stay inside, play video games, and practice basketball.  Basically the best young player you could ever ask for on your team.  HOWEVER! I don"t think he"s gonna be good enough at scoring to completely carry his team to a title with the supporting cast that"s around him right now.  He needs some serious upgrades alllll around him if the Magic are gonna do anything in the future.  Even if he turns into the next David Robinson.  The Spurs with DR still were the worst team in the NBA at one time if yall remember! :)

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posted on 4/26/2007 10:09:41 AM by STARCAST
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I think DR was injured that year if I remember right.
 
Who says Howard stays with the Magic? He could leave before his prime.
 
I think I read somewere how much he would love to be a Piston.   (Ok I was just making that up)


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re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sittin
posted on 4/26/2007 8:03:23 PM by AMCohan
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Yeah you"re right he did only play in six games that year.  Hmm ok fine I"m gonna just assume there"s some other really great big man out there who was on a team that struggled to do anything or win any substantial amount of games during a specific season.

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re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: Orlando & Bulls future is sittin
posted on 4/26/2007 10:24:38 PM by Jayborne23
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on Apr 26 2007 8:03PM, AMCohan wrote:

Yeah you"re right he did only play in six games that year.  Hmm ok fine I"m gonna just assume there"s some other really great big man out there who was on a team that struggled to do anything or win any substantial amount of games during a specific season.

This is the shortest post I"ve seen from you in a long time. Clap
 
After watching Game 3, the Magic desperately need some perimeter shooting (and someone who can hit a damn FT).  If Redick learned how to at least get a shot off on bigger players, that"d help a little.


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 Have you ever seen more players utterly convinced that they"ve never committed a foul in their lives than the guys from this Spurs-Suns series? What an annoying bunch of whiners; it"s like watching the 2006 World Cup with more whistles. If that"s what we get for having "the most international NBA playoff series of all time," then screw it -- let"s make rules that no team can have more than three foreign players so we don"t have to watch these guys bitch and moan for two straight hours. For God"s sake, Ginobili is at the point in his life where he could rear-end someone at a stoplight, then hop out of his car with his hands raised blaming the other driver for being in his way. Give it a rest, Manu. We"re begging you. -- Bill Simmons

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posted on 4/27/2007 9:22:30 PM by AMCohan
PASPN.net member class: Hall of Famer - Isiah Thomas
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posted on 5/1/2007 10:13:23 PM by benwallace3
PASPN.net member class: Hall of Famer - Isiah Thomas
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im glad they wasted a pick on that joke redick.  Not as if there was anyone in last year"s draft thats better, but it was written all over him (at least to me) that he was an NBA bust.

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 If he´s foreign or white, you can´t go right(it rhymes).

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posted on 5/2/2007 9:06:47 AM by AMCohan
PASPN.net member class: Hall of Famer - Isiah Thomas
Yeah he"s probably never going to be able to get consistent minutes in the NBA.  Every time he comes into the game he"ll get targeted by the opposing team relentlessly.  He just can"t play defense and his position is way too important for most teams for him to get away with playing serious minutes anywhere.  That"s assuming he learns how to handle the ball well and can start hitting shots now that people actually play defense on him.  Basically he"s too short, too horrible at defense, too crappy at handling the ball, and apparently injury prone.  Great pick!

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